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MJ's avatar

This is my wheelhouse, as close as I can get without actual medical/nutrition degrees. I've been reading studies about diabetes and body weight for over 25 years now, because when I was diagnosed with diabetes I was told that "insulin is only for bad diabetics" and that I "had to be lying" about what I ate because my blood sugars were so high and I was very sick. I got a better doctor, and then started reading research papers and studies. I started a mailing list for diabetics who didn't want to diet-for-weight loss because pop culture insisted you had to lose weight or you would DIE! (People actually called me selfish for refusing to go on a severely restrictive weight loss diet.)

There's been a lot of work since then to find real causes of diabetes, both type 1 and type 2, that don't rely on the lazy "Because you're fat." Until the late '90s, when there was a huge push for weight loss drugs and using BMI as the standard of "weight" and "health," you'd find in a list of symptoms of type 2 diabetes as "unwanted weight gain." They've known for decades that insulin resistance often causes weight gain in people with glucose intolerance. And if you go to the diabetes forum on reddit, you'll see the same story over and over again: "I gained weight, my doctor said I was 'pre-diabetic' and had to lose weight, I lost weight, six months later I was diagnosed with diabetes. How could this happen when I did everything right?" (Because body weight and insulin resistance are a complicated loop, but once you have IR you're on the track to type 2 diabetes no matter how much you weigh.)

They're pretty sure that the plasma C14:0 ceramide (a type of lipid) is one of the root causes of insulin resistance. Exercise independent of weight change can reduce the C14:0 ceramide which in turn can reduce insulin resistance. (There are also believed to be types of insulin resistance caused by antibodies and autoimmune disorders.) Note that the C14:0 ceramine is also indicated in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.

Saying that even "people who aren't ob*se can benefit from weight loss" is horrific. That's like saying that people with no sign of cardiovascular disease can benefit from shunts (which we now know don't work, either).

The latest "sure cure for fat people" that's really a diabetes drug which is being handed out like candy off-label is terrifying. I'm fully expecting for it to go down like Phen-Fen and Rezulin as drugs promising diabetes cures, health, and thinness and instead causing too early death and disease.

I could blather on for pages but I've hijacked your comment section enough. :)

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Thank you for taking time to write this, when I shared it to others, I led with this intro post about my personal experience with 2 practitioners who were both obsessed with weight loss as a front line T2 treatment:

"If you have pre-diabetes or T2, please read this: Some of you know that I've been on a long journey attempting to balance my blood sugar and to limit the progression of T2 diabetes (my mother's side of the family has a history of T2). After years of this, it finally became clear to me that I was dealing with medical fatphobia to the exclusion of actual good medical diagnostic work. I had 2 separate practitioners outline their recommended treatment protocols for me, which I followed obsessively. In both cases, I even lost 10% of my then body weight, which is reputed to create statistically significant improved health markers. Both practitioners treated medication such as metformin as a "failure" of some sort.

Here's the painful truth: those recommended measures, including 3 years eating strict keto, did not produce the promised results, in spite of my weight loss. In one case, this led to a practitioner yelling at me and trying to shame me as she believed I couldn't possibly have followed her directions if I wasn't getting the improved markers she expected.

In the other case, I suffered through medical misdiagnosis as my weight was perceived as the front line cause of all problems--this led to me going years with a worsening gall bladder condition, which resulted in a near emergency surgery to finally remove my gall bladder in May of this year. I cannot even describe to you how much this has improved not just my quality of life, but a sweeping swath of my health markers! (C-Reactive protein dropped from 14.3 to 1.4 within 3 months of the surgery, for instance. It had been high for years.)

At any point when I had what were gall bladder symptoms, my PCP assumed it was weight related and would send me out for things like heart stress tests--and these tests all came back with good results. At that point, because my PCP assumed weight must somehow still be the source of the issue, he would simply stop there, and not pursue any other evidence-based diagnostic work because clearly any symptoms I was having that couldn't be related to weight must be outlier experiences that didn't indicate I had other problems to be pursued. (I had gallbladder symptoms going back to 2017.)

Why does this matter? If you are a person who is pre-diabetic or already has T2, it's critical to know that diet and exercise can only impact 30% of what is behind the tipping point into T2. In fact, genetics makes up a larger proportion of impact, along with social determinants of health. Even stress and insomnia dramatically skew blood sugar levels, which anyone who tests their blood sugar regularly can easily confirm. People who have a trauma background (which can include things like trauma related to growing up in a racist society, for instance) are effectively steeped in stress hormones which can rather permanently alter blood sugar levels skewing toward pre-diabetes and T2. So no, I didn't "eat yourself into T2."

My own PCP, while blinded by his over focus on my weight, even conceded that science doesn't actually know if the endocrine disruption happens first and then causes weight gain, or if it's the other way around. But the public assumption is simply that people eat themselves into T2 and caused this particular health issue themselves--which is not substantiated.

The article suggesting new treatment protocols prioritizing weight loss over blood sugar control that is about to come out or has just been released features a "debate" between doctors and a doctor moderator who are all paid by weight loss industry and NovoNordisk. If you watched "Dope Sick" on Hulu, many of the marketing tactics NovoNordisk has used for GLP-1 agonist drugs are a direct lift from the playbook of oxycontin maker, Purdue Pharma.

One of the greatest problems I see with the coming recommendation that weight loss is more important than blood sugar control is that it completely overlooks evidence-based research and practice, and diverts both medical professionals and their patients from bona-fide treatments. Research already exists that fatness may have a protective effect, and is not clearly correlated with increased risk for cardiovascular issues. In fact, in some overweight people, forcing them to lose weight can increase their risk for cardiovascular events.

Drugs like Ozempic, which may soon be prioritized as front line for T2 treatment are being favored because they may lead to temporary weight loss (ie weight loss that lasts only as long as you are on the medication), but often to the exclusion of quality of life as a significant number of patients report severe nausea and other unpleasant side effects. Additionally, GLP-1 agonists such as Ozempic may confer no other benefits--unlike metformin which can quite effectively control blood sugar, is much cheaper, is often more readily tolerated, and has protective benefits for the cardiovascular and renal (kidney) systems, as well as offering protection benefits against age-related macular degeneration, dementia, and some types of cancer. GLP-1 agonists may lower blood sugar A1C by .66%, while metformin has been shown to lower blood sugar up to 1.5%. (A1C is often expressed with numbers like 5.4, 6.7 etc. so the difference between .66% and 1.5% is pretty important.)

The low side per unit cost of metformin is $.16, while the low side per unit cost of Ozempic is $632. Yes, Ozempic is $631.84 more than metformin, on a per dose basis.

Just like Purdue Pharma created the medical "conditions" that would require oxycontin, it's very hard for me to imagine a world where NovoNordisk is not similarly creating a "need", which will drive a new treatment direction, which will drive sales of Ozempic--all the while lacking sufficient research which would justify such a switch in treatment protocols.

I'm not against anyone who uses GLP-1 agonists because it improves their quality of life and health--but since I have directly been negatively impacted by doctors who were misguided by the over focus on weight to exclusion of all else, I hate to see anything else that might further compromise evidence-based diagnostics and treatments when it comes to T2. If your treatment for T2 begins and ends with, "You're too fat," the need for additional diagnostic work, along with improved treatment protocols becomes irrelevant. This is sloppy medicine at best, and could be deadly at worst.

If you are [in Oregon and] in need of an evidence-based treatment-minded, non-weight-obsessed endocrinologist, please let me know, I would be happy to share the name of my doctor. I had to go to Corvallis to find her, but she is 100% worth the drive. I also have a new PCP who is likewise a breath of fresh air to work with. Finally, the surgeon who removed my gallbladder? He was the first person to order the actual diagnostic work for me, and I would recommend him as well. I will always be grateful that he did not simply tell me my issue was my weight."

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